All right, I can only take so much.

[quidditchgrrl]

Note to flist:  I ship just about everything in the HP-verse.  If it's well-written, and gives a good premise for the plot, I can get with it.

I do ship Ron/Hermione AND Harry/Hermione.  I see canon-based evidence for both. 

My ego is not wrapped up in any ship for any reason.  My world is not rocked by any one ship's opinion of other ships.  I don't get with the attack-dog mentality.

Would you mind horribly, filtering me away from your snarky posts?  Now that it's grown to more than 2 people trolling and snarking, it's giving me a feeling much like affront, and I don't like it.  I'm not stupid for liking a pairing that you don't, and I never go looking for people to mock when I don't agree with their OTP.

You don't have to filter, but be aware that the people who might be reading your journal, people you consider at least acquaintances, might be personally affected by your "anonymous" snark, because when you call one group stupid, you're calling me and probably other people on your flist stupid.

Thanks for your consideration.  I'm not mad, really; I won't be angry if you defriend me.  I thought you all might want to know that you're not simply lobbing verbal grenades at people you don't know.

Comments

[annearchy.livejournal.com]

Hope that's not me. I keep my shippy stuff to the H/Hr groups. I have too many non-H/Hr LJ friends to do shippy rants on my own journal ;)

[quidditchgrrl.livejournal.com]

*sigh* No, it's more coming from the Good Ship side of my flist. I don't know what started it, but they've been trolling the PK boards and other HHr threads. I hate that some of them *know* I ship HHr and they can't be bothered to filter me away, or at least keep the insults to a minimum.

Even thought I know that they're not referring to me, it still bugs me that they're making blanket statements that lump me in with "them."

[annearchy.livejournal.com]

I don't even go to FA boards anymore. I got tired of people sniping at my H/Hr stories (the few that are there). My fics are all on Portkey now, and HandMeMyRobes.com, and a couple of the cleaner ones are on HarryPotterFanfiction.com. *shrugs* I just don't enjoy arguing with people, so I avoid places where people like to argu ;)

[ladyaeryn.livejournal.com]

Amen.

I don't ship R/Hr, but I do see evidence for both it and H/Hr, and the attitude that I'm completely apeshit for thinking such and such pairing isn't completely bollocks? Yeah, I can do without it. (Part of why I stopped going to shippy message boards. If I wasn't being snarked at by trolls for liking H/Hr, I was being snarked at by H/Hrs for deigning to say "well, yeah, there is this little bit here that could be seen as R/Hr...")

[quidditchgrrl.livejournal.com]

I get a lot of that, too. I do think it's amusing when the exact same "clues" are regaled by both R/Hr and H/Hr shippers as validating "their" side. But to each his own, you know? It's not worth arguing over, because you'll not change anyone's mind.

[authenticjoy.livejournal.com]

I don't think it's about changing minds really. I think that at this point it is all about the stupid. I'm seeing some really stupid stuff out there right now.

I think what happens is that when you hang with a group who ships one way and one way only you see only the stoopidness of the other side. In copious amounts. Well reasoned debate just doesn't happen. You get stuff like "What happens on Portkey.org doesn't leave Portkey.org." and so on.

So, snark starts to happen. I took huge offense when I ran across a few nasty H/Hr threads about killing or getting rid of Ginny/Ron so that the H/Hr thing could come to be. One person suggested that Harry had to suffer through the loss of the entire Weasley family before he could fight Voldemort. WTF?

Every single post was nothing but a thinly veiled shipper post dressed up as more. It was sick. I got all kinds of shippy snarky.

I can't imagine you wanting to take out the Weasley family - Or even both Ron and Ginny - just so that H/Hr h/c happens in the books.

Don't take the snarkiness personally. At least not mine. Your shipping includes everyone. I've seen more trio fics from you than anything else. Lately, all I want are Ginny/Hermione. Talk about a pairing that everyone leaves alone.

[lina-granger.livejournal.com]

I'm sure I know of which forum you're talking about. I don't wish to put judgegment on all the registered members, but some of them are so disgusting it hurts that they are HP fans -- if they really are to that.

[authenticjoy.livejournal.com]

I'm actually not talking about a forum on Portkey. The thread I was specifically talking about was here on LJ.

I think that we all see threads that *boggle* our minds and those are the ones we react to rather than the reasoned ones.

I read a really good one from H/Hr shippers last night. But, I'm not reacting to it because I've read the points before and I don't find them strong enough for me within the context. I can see their points (really, I can), but I am going to hang in there with my own prediction for now because, like them, I think it is strong enough for now.

[lina-granger.livejournal.com]

Oh, I wasn't talking about the Portkey forums, either. Things might get heated in the Portkey forums, but they do have good mods and people are actually willing to discuss.

I was talking about the Harmony forums, where they have as a forum rule that Weasley bashing is encouraged, or something to the lines of that. They're making stories of the best way for the Weasleys to die and other monstrosities. I understand these forums were created because they weren't allowed to express all their evilness in the Portkey forums, and plus, Portkey is a four-shipping site and these people hate Ron and Ginny and don't care about their love lives -- they just want them dead. 0_0

I think that we all see threads that *boggle* our minds and those are the ones we react to rather than the reasoned ones.

Exactly. I've never criticised posts with good arguments, but there are some things that go beyond the realm of logic and with those I have to laugh. I'm sure H/Hers find lots of such posts in the R/Hr forums, too.

[authenticjoy.livejournal.com]

I was pretty much talking about the Harmonians too. (I find it highly ironic that they call themselves Harmonians - They sound like some sort of doomsday cult or alien species straight outta a dime pulp novel. Or a Kurt Vonnegut book. Take your pick.)

I was reacting to the things I see on their forums. It just blows my mind. I'm primarily an H/G shipper, and I've never seen my fellow shippers wanting JKR to whack Hermione so that Ginny can comfort Harry. They may be out there, but they are not numerous enough to form a successful site and message board.

I've seen snarky posts on R/Hr forums but never like the ones I see there. That's beyond snark. What I do is snark sometimes. I don't wish Hermione dead. I like Hermione. I need Hermione alive for femmeslashie goodness with Ginny in my other ship!

[lina-granger.livejournal.com]

If you by any chance refer to me, I must apologise, because I honestly did not know you're a H/Hr shipper, or at least partially. I didn't know I had a H/Hr shipper in my flist, therefore, no filter at all -- besides, I hate filters and I don't use them. I only have one filter for very personal stuff and I hate the idea of creating filters for every single minor thing.

Yes, I have been hanging out in H/Hr forums, but I have only posted about absurdities, not real arguments, and I also wanted to express my shock over the Ron/Ginny/Weasley hate I found there. I'm sorry if you felt offended by it, but I don't think there was anything wrong in my posts.

When I read about Harry and Hermione representing the Venus/Mars love, I'm sorry, I have to mock it, and my journal is the only place to do it. I have never mocked the big H/Hr arguments, just the incredible silly ones who would make the most dedicated and normal H/Hr shipper embarassed.

And in the end, I can't believe you read every entry in your flist. Don't blame others for not making filters -- that's a personal matter. You can skip such posts, like you skip others you don't bother to read for other reasons.

I do hope all that ^ did not sound offensive in any way. 0_0

[lina-granger.livejournal.com]

Oops, the "don't blame others for not making filters" came out wrong. You didn't say anything of the sort anyway. My bad. :P

[quidditchgrrl.livejournal.com]

Well, I DO read every entry on my flist! I just...do.

There are *so* many crackpot theories on both sides (thank goodness "Weasley is our King" was shot down by JKR, I hated that theory) that they defy description. There is plenty of Harry!hate on the part of Good Shippers, too, it's just a little more hidden. But it doesn't bother me - fandom is like that.

I don't think you were around when gryffindortower.net went out in a blaze of wanky glory. Let's say things got VERY heated and very personal on the part of the Good Shippers, and they did their best to terrorize any who stood up against them. It's a long story, best forgotten, but once bitten, twice shy.

There for a while most of your entries were H/Hr bashing, and it made me wonder if this was a new trend or if it was just your opinion.

No harm done. :)

[lina-granger.livejournal.com]

Well, I DO read every entry on my flist! I just...do.

I understand -- I do, too. I just thought you wouldn't, because you talked about filtering. I'm not familiar with filters at all, I simply read my friends page as it is, but I have realised that many people don't do that. Oh well...

I don't think you were around when gryffindortower.net went out in a blaze of wanky glory.

I was around. Just lurking though, because I never was a H/G shipper and I couldn't care less about GT. I did learn some things from the inside though, and I was left with the impression that some of those girls just deserved what they got. I never felt sorry for them, just for the people who loved the site and had nothing to do with its downfall. I think when you say good shippers here, though, you mean OBHWF shippers, not R/Hr only.

There for a while most of your entries were H/Hr bashing.

I wasn't bashing the ship so much as the "theories" and Ron/Ginny hate some H/Hr shippers have. (I was talking particularly for the Harmony forums members) But if you were offended, you have a right to be. I won't tell you what should offend you or not. :)

And if I knew I had someone who likes H/hr in my flist, I'd probably pay more attention -- but since I didn't, I didn't think of filtering myself in case I annoyed someone.

And yes, it was a trend for a while, actually, because we were having fun with some people, pointing each other to the most ridiculous threads. I mean, apart from the R-G hate, everything else was to amuse only. I believe a H/Hr shipper could very well do the same for some of the silliest R/Hr arguments -- and I'm sure there are many on this side to mock, too.

[harpinred.livejournal.com]

Oh ouch, I hope I haven't added to this. I will keep your post in mind when I'm posting. I try not to bash other ships that I disagree with, but confess that I am sometimes overly enthusiastic about the R/Hr ship. LOL

I also have to confess that I have never understood the need to troll contrasting shipper boards. I think that debate threads are a good place to go if you want to 'have it out', but why go someplace where you know that your views won't be appreciated? That's just my opinion, and I don't think it's my place to try and make somebody 'see the light'. If the new cannon does that for them, so be it, but the whole evangelical approach (on either side) gives me the willies.

Hugs

[lina-granger.livejournal.com]

I also have to confess that I have never understood the need to troll contrasting shipper boards. I think that debate threads are a good place to go if you want to 'have it out', but why go someplace where you know that your views won't be appreciated?

I agree. Two years ago, I visited the Portkey forums for the first time and they seemed to be nice people who just shipped differently, at least in their majority. I replied to some threads and I admit that even though I wasn't expecting to 'set them straight' I got some interesting and good answers -- I just did not agree with them. I can handle disagreement.

But I've recently found the Harmony forums, which are exactly the reason I'm seeing read with H/Hers these days. Their forum rules are disgusting and the things I've read in there are unbelievable. They claim that R/Hers have treated them like that in the past, but I've never seen a public R/hr forum exist just because some members were not allowed to bash ships somewhere else. It's like CMers creating their own board where they can indulge themselves bashing H/Hr -- but then again, R/Hers don't seem to hate other characters, and these "Harmonians" clearly state their hatred towards Ginny, Ron and the whole Weasley family. They honestly write that they wish they would die. These people disgrace the H/Hr ship and its shippers, and the fandom in general. Fortunately, most of them claim that should HBP not be written according to their tastes, they will burn their books and leave the fandom. Honestly, they'll be doing all of us a favour.

Why do I ever go there, then? I attribute it to my masochistic tendencies. I would never even consider replying, though. There would be no point at all. I tried it in a civilised forum long ago because I wanted to get answers. That's no civilised place -- it's like the jungle.

/rant

[quidditchgrrl.livejournal.com]

I don't think I've ever seen you outright bashing any ship you don't agree with - and I know you're die-hard R/Hr.

And, you're not going to change anyone's mind by laughing at their reasons for liking it or giving them chapter and verse about canon that hasn't been published yet.

[jenbeauty.livejournal.com]

You hit it on the nose for me. I got a little miffed last week and really I should not have. But someone on my flist has a friend that cannot help themselves when referring to R/Hr shippers. They tend to lump us all together and make the snarky remarks you commented about. I am laughing about my feeling insulted last week and am glad it is a new day. lol