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[quidditchgrrl]

I was doing some more thinking - beats interacting with people at work - about BBM.

And I was considering - who sacrificed the most, Jack or Ennis? I mean, other than Jack ended up dead, but in life, who gave up the most?

I'm stumped. Ennis gave up his financial stability; Jack gave up his self-respect. Which one made the greater sacrifice? They both gave up some of their happiness (though I believe they found happiness in the families they had) and could never hope to live they way they wanted to.

I kind of think Ennis got the short end of the stick materially, but Jack suffered more on the emotional side. Jack wanted to believe so badly that they could be together, and I believe he was actually 100% gay to Ennis' bisexual. Just a vibe I got from the book and the movie vibed the same to me. Ennis had more common sense about how impossible the whole thing was.

Just talking about the two guys here; I think Alma was probably the person who made the biggest sacrifice of anyone else in the movie.

Comments

[queenkatieett.livejournal.com]

Shit! Shit! I read "Jack ended up dead"!

I was all, "I wonder what BBM is?" After I had just laughed about your icon and everything.

I suck.

[quidditchgrrl.livejournal.com]

Clicking on a tag discussing a movie you've not seen is bad news katiett.

Grab a copy of Close Range: Wyoming Stories at work and read BBM, it's about 50 pages long. Break time?

[queenkatieett.livejournal.com]

Ahh, so that's my problem. I have lj-cuts disabled on my Friends page, so I didn't even see it coming.

I think in this case, considering that I like the director more than the author, I'd rather wait and see the movie first

[blue-eye.livejournal.com]

Ouch!

Spoilers...I haven't seen it yet...

[quidditchgrrl.livejournal.com]

You shouldn't click on a tag that has the name of the movie you haven't seen...

Like I told katiett, grab at copy of Close Range: Wyoming Stories by E. Annie Proulx at BN or Borders and read BBM. It's about 50 pages, you could get it done at the store. ;)

Spoilers

[blue-eye.livejournal.com]

I have to remember that when I read your LJ...I'm used to folks putting out spoiler warnings...:-) I suppose it is no worse than what I did whe I was a kid, which was read the ending of a book before I finished reading it. I'm anxious to see it (BBM) though.

Re: Spoilers

[quidditchgrrl.livejournal.com]

It's now my favorite movie, ever!

Sorry I spoiled you, though :(

Re: Spoilers

[blue-eye.livejournal.com]

That's ok....I caught myself in the middle of reading so now my memory has one of them dying...but now knowing who. That doesn't bother me as I know the movie spans a number of years.

Re: Spoilers

[blue-eye.livejournal.com]

I mean not knowing who.

[jennlee2.livejournal.com]

Just saw it last night and had to remember to come back and click your spoiler link!

The easy part - I agree that Jack was officially gay. Ennis I wasn't sure about. There wasn't evidence that he was attracted to men in general, just that he happened to fall in love with Jack. If he hadn't known Jack at all would he have been happy with Alma? Maybe so. I think it is a testament that love can transcend gender, so I don't know if I'd even call him bisexual at heart. But then he didn't have any successful relationships with women either.

I think I felt more sorry for Ennis overall. But he was a bit of an odd duck - he seemed so alone all the time - was he really just "waiting" those first four years before he saw Jack again? And it was Jack that initiated the contact - I don't think Ennis would have done that. I guess he didn't seem completely unhappy with Alma until Jack came back into the picture, but there did seem to be an underlying alone-ness to Ennis.

The part where Alma sees her husband necking with Jack was where it really hit me that so many people were in pain from this situation. Not just Jack and Ennis. The way she just stood there for a while and went and sat down and stuff. It was totally what I think I would do.

And even Jack's wife. At the end you could tell that she knew and that it affected her (although I didn't feel sorry for her particularly).

I think Ennis got the short end of things partly because he was so scared of people finding out. When he said he thought people could look at him and just know, and the fear of that childhood experience of seeing the results of such hate and violence - he must have been on edge all the time. Jack wasn't that way, and it probably was what killed him.

I didn't mean to write a book - sorry! I swear I can't get the movie out of my head. I hardly slept last night.